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		<title>By: LearningTimes Green Room &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LTGR Ep. #33 - &#8220;First Year Teacher Prep&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>LearningTimes Green Room &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LTGR Ep. #33 - &#8220;First Year Teacher Prep&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cheri is innovative in how she helps prepare tomorrow’s K12 teachers. This topic came from David Warlick’s 2¢ Worth blog posting on the topic of first year teachers and technology. Here’s the direct link. Cheri helped move the discussion forward by commenting, but also articulated her thoughts on her own blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Cheri is innovative in how she helps prepare tomorrow’s K12 teachers. This topic came from David Warlick’s 2¢ Worth blog posting on the topic of first year teachers and technology. Here’s the direct link. Cheri helped move the discussion forward by commenting, but also articulated her thoughts on her own blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://drctedd.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/178/#comment-5730</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheri,
I have got to tell you I love this sentence: &quot;For me it’s not as much about the tools as it is about the pedagogy.&quot;  I debate this sentence all the time with colleagues.  For me, I get concerned about this sentence once and a while.  I don&#039;t want teachers to think that if their pedagogy is good they don&#039;t have to use the tools.  

We have a bit in common.  You work with pre-service teachers.  I do the professional development with teachers once they have a job in our school districts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheri,<br />
I have got to tell you I love this sentence: &#8220;For me it’s not as much about the tools as it is about the pedagogy.&#8221;  I debate this sentence all the time with colleagues.  For me, I get concerned about this sentence once and a while.  I don&#8217;t want teachers to think that if their pedagogy is good they don&#8217;t have to use the tools.  </p>
<p>We have a bit in common.  You work with pre-service teachers.  I do the professional development with teachers once they have a job in our school districts.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
		<link>http://drctedd.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/178/#comment-5416</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dea, that&#039;s great! Do you need a guest wiki-er?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dea, that&#8217;s great! Do you need a guest wiki-er?</p>
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		<title>By: Dea Conrad-Curry</title>
		<link>http://drctedd.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/178/#comment-5384</link>
		<dc:creator>Dea Conrad-Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Cheri--
I hope to build on your success stories--I have a Regional Office of Education that is going to allow me a full day to present a wiki workshop in a computer lab within their offices. This is something of a breakthrough. In the past, workshops were only three hours and held &lt;b&gt;school and/or on Saturday mornings--no additional compensation--oh, but of course the honored Illinois CPDU. And now the conversation morphs form what we need to teach them to when...but if we are going to ask teachers to really change what they are doing, we cannot also ask them to find their own time to do it in. If we want teachers to build new neural connections and in their learning, transmit the same to kids, we have to meet them on a playing field that isn&#039;t all uphill. Teachers need to be provided training that is manageable within the demands of the job and not outside of it! 
We are making progress, but as Frost writes, &quot;...miles to go before I sleep...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Cheri&#8211;<br />
I hope to build on your success stories&#8211;I have a Regional Office of Education that is going to allow me a full day to present a wiki workshop in a computer lab within their offices. This is something of a breakthrough. In the past, workshops were only three hours and held <b>school and/or on Saturday mornings&#8211;no additional compensation&#8211;oh, but of course the honored Illinois CPDU. And now the conversation morphs form what we need to teach them to when&#8230;but if we are going to ask teachers to really change what they are doing, we cannot also ask them to find their own time to do it in. If we want teachers to build new neural connections and in their learning, transmit the same to kids, we have to meet them on a playing field that isn&#8217;t all uphill. Teachers need to be provided training that is manageable within the demands of the job and not outside of it!<br />
We are making progress, but as Frost writes, &#8220;&#8230;miles to go before I sleep&#8230;&#8221;</b></p>
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		<title>By: David Robb</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 01:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cheri,

I think it&#039;s important that despite the negative feedback you&#039;re sticking to your student centered approach.  If David&#039;s comment above is true that the way a teacher teaches is most heavily influenced by how they were taught, which I believe is true, it becomes that much more important to lead by example and facilitate your class the same way you they should.  

As more students start to model your student centered approach in their own classrooms it should become a domino effect and, hopefully, start to change the ineffective pedagogies used to effective ones where students take ownership of their own learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cheri,</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important that despite the negative feedback you&#8217;re sticking to your student centered approach.  If David&#8217;s comment above is true that the way a teacher teaches is most heavily influenced by how they were taught, which I believe is true, it becomes that much more important to lead by example and facilitate your class the same way you they should.  </p>
<p>As more students start to model your student centered approach in their own classrooms it should become a domino effect and, hopefully, start to change the ineffective pedagogies used to effective ones where students take ownership of their own learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments Dave and Jeff,

I think we&#039;re all on the same page - do what we can to influence current teachers and teacher education faculty through professional development and modeling. And in my case, expose as many preservice teachers to our world (Web 2.0, Read/Write Web - or whatever you want to call it). 

I know that I had great success with this approach in my last class. I had an excellent group of doctoral students who were clueless about Web 2.0 tools and their applications. But ... by the end of the semester, they are teaching other teachers, requiring it of their students, and even conducting workshops.

This is the same group that were on the WOW2.0 (http://www.womenofweb2.com) webcast on April 17. You can find the link here: http://www.womenofweb2.com/weeklychats.htm. We had a wonderful time! I am so excited about what they are all doing now ... one story:

One of the students deleted all the information from one of our class wiki pages. Instead of fixing it for him, (as we all know by now goes against my teaching philosophy) I told him to figure out how to get the information back. After a couple of attempts, and some help from his classmates, he was successful. About a week after the course was over I got an email from him telling me that he created a wiki to use with his sports team that was traveling out of the country. Now that&#039;s fun to hear! A real victory for this high school teacher who was just introduced to the power of Web 2.0 tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments Dave and Jeff,</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re all on the same page &#8211; do what we can to influence current teachers and teacher education faculty through professional development and modeling. And in my case, expose as many preservice teachers to our world (Web 2.0, Read/Write Web &#8211; or whatever you want to call it). </p>
<p>I know that I had great success with this approach in my last class. I had an excellent group of doctoral students who were clueless about Web 2.0 tools and their applications. But &#8230; by the end of the semester, they are teaching other teachers, requiring it of their students, and even conducting workshops.</p>
<p>This is the same group that were on the WOW2.0 (<a href="http://www.womenofweb2.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.womenofweb2.com</a>) webcast on April 17. You can find the link here: <a href="http://www.womenofweb2.com/weeklychats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.womenofweb2.com/weeklychats.htm</a>. We had a wonderful time! I am so excited about what they are all doing now &#8230; one story:</p>
<p>One of the students deleted all the information from one of our class wiki pages. Instead of fixing it for him, (as we all know by now goes against my teaching philosophy) I told him to figure out how to get the information back. After a couple of attempts, and some help from his classmates, he was successful. About a week after the course was over I got an email from him telling me that he created a wiki to use with his sports team that was traveling out of the country. Now that&#8217;s fun to hear! A real victory for this high school teacher who was just introduced to the power of Web 2.0 tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Yearout</title>
		<link>http://drctedd.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/178/#comment-5358</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Yearout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments, Cheri. Hmmmm, looks like I have another blog to add to my news reader! The list is getting longer and longer, but thats perfectly fine, because in the past year and a half or so that I&#039;ve started really following blogs (thank you RSS), I&#039;ve thought and pondered and debated more about issues in my chosen profession of education than I have in the entire 15 years of my teacher life prior to becoming &quot;connected&quot;. 

But, I have CHOSEN to engage in the conversation, and there, I believe lies the rub in all of this. How do we encourage and nurture others to take the leap? It is daunting for most teachers, especially considering the testing pressures and burdens of time availability that seem to rule the day. Yet the image that sticks in my mind is the scene from The Matrix where Morpheus offers Neo the two pills and a choice - I am glad that I have chosen the red pill to see how deep the rabbit hole goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments, Cheri. Hmmmm, looks like I have another blog to add to my news reader! The list is getting longer and longer, but thats perfectly fine, because in the past year and a half or so that I&#8217;ve started really following blogs (thank you RSS), I&#8217;ve thought and pondered and debated more about issues in my chosen profession of education than I have in the entire 15 years of my teacher life prior to becoming &#8220;connected&#8221;. </p>
<p>But, I have CHOSEN to engage in the conversation, and there, I believe lies the rub in all of this. How do we encourage and nurture others to take the leap? It is daunting for most teachers, especially considering the testing pressures and burdens of time availability that seem to rule the day. Yet the image that sticks in my mind is the scene from The Matrix where Morpheus offers Neo the two pills and a choice &#8211; I am glad that I have chosen the red pill to see how deep the rabbit hole goes!</p>
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		<title>By: David Warlick</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Warlick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheri,

I&#039;ve heard this before.  It seems that people want to become teachers because they want to do what their favorite teachers did.  I wish I could remember the source, but it seems that there was a study a while back concluding that of all the factors that contribute to how a teacher teaches, the one with the most influence was &quot;how they were taught.&quot;

It&#039;s why the morphing of the conversation on &lt;a href=&quot;http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2007/07/26/first-year-teachers/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my post&lt;/a&gt; is so important.  It&#039;s because of the technology, and even more because of how technology has changed our information landscape that the old teacher-centered pedagogies are no long relevant.  Their exclusive use is actually counter productive.  I think that this is the case we have to make.  That teaching children how to be taught makes no sense to their future.  Instead, we have to teach them to teach themselves.

Thanks for the continued conversation!

-- dave --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheri,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard this before.  It seems that people want to become teachers because they want to do what their favorite teachers did.  I wish I could remember the source, but it seems that there was a study a while back concluding that of all the factors that contribute to how a teacher teaches, the one with the most influence was &#8220;how they were taught.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why the morphing of the conversation on <a href="http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2007/07/26/first-year-teachers/" rel="nofollow">my post</a> is so important.  It&#8217;s because of the technology, and even more because of how technology has changed our information landscape that the old teacher-centered pedagogies are no long relevant.  Their exclusive use is actually counter productive.  I think that this is the case we have to make.  That teaching children how to be taught makes no sense to their future.  Instead, we have to teach them to teach themselves.</p>
<p>Thanks for the continued conversation!</p>
<p>&#8211; dave &#8211;</p>
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